The Audacity to Believe You Can Build A Successful Art-Inspired Coffee Studio
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welcome today i've got george davis uh the owner of mu's coffee shop here in
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chicago how's it going man everything's good man thanks for having me i appreciate it
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so uh just a little bit of introduction you've got a coffee shop um here near west side of chicago
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great music great vibes great art from chicago most importantly great coffee
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um where did you find your passion for coffee how did that start
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interestingly enough um i actually found myself
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with a much stronger connection to coffee shops before i even liked coffee on that level
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um and i i would say the seed was probably planet and undergrad um i went to clark
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atlanta university um and when we were out there you know we we
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share a library with the spelman and morehouse and you know i mean it gets cracking in that i used to call it club
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foodie uh a lot of the little restaurants that was right there on campus you know they
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perfect for you know those those late night you know food runs and all of that but like i
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used to always think man it would be dope if we had a coffee shop you know what i'm saying so we go
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study talk um but it not be
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you know as restrictive as the library or as chaotic as you know some of the
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restaurants or little hangout spots would be you know what i mean yeah yeah so it was something that i would always
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think about but but really just in a very abstract type of way right
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and then once i really started to drink coffee which wasn't until grad school
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um it started as like gas station coffee just you know having something that
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wasn't an energy drink wasn't a red bull but you know something that that would keep us up for the study study groups
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you know what i mean related study sessions or whatever and um you know i would i would get the coffee
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and dump so much flavor creamer and all types or whatever just so i thought it'd be palatable you dig right
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and from there kind of just grew to like all right well let me let me see what real coffee's supposed
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to taste like you know no disrespect to gas station coffee but you know it
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that's kind of what it what it what the interest was sparked and then when i started to check out coffee shops like i said it really was more of a connection
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with the different spaces that you know i would go in um and less of a of a desire to really
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you know i got i never had never gone into a place and was like all right let me i'm gonna try everything on the menu or
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you know let me let me taste this coffee and see how it compares to the other coffee that i've had it really would be like man this
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space is dope you know what i'm saying me thinking like what what would my
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space look like you know what would my story be you know once i had an opportunity to to
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kind of get on that side of it so that's what that's where it was sparked and then that's kind of how it
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evolved man no that's awesome so so
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you you fell in love with the idea of just a cool spot that served coffee i know that's that's
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really cool tell me about your as you were thinking about what your
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space would look like what what what were your goals like what were the things that
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you were super passionate about the space looking like how did you create your vision honestly
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for me it was less about what is the space gonna look like and what what is this space gonna make people feel
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um and so a lot of it would be you know kind of like a mental pinterest
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board you know what i mean like we and my wife would go to a spot and be like man this is dope but it's missing
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this and then i'll kind of make a mental note of it or and that's fly but if if if i was doing it i would do it like
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this you know what i'm saying and i make a mental note on it and then you know it got to a point
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where i had enough of that kind of just up here and then again it's just
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wanting to tell my story you know what i'm saying and share the things that inspired me and
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that really was the the biggest piece of it you know what can we what can we put in the space
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that um really speaks to [Music]
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what what inspires us creatively and by us i mean you know my wife
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my kids my guys that i grew up with you know what i'm saying you know
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my family you know anybody who has touched my journey in any type of way you know what i mean
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like that's what i think about and so it's like what what kind of space will we enjoy
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what kind of space um what could we put in a space that we would want other people to engage with
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that we want other people to experience you know what i'm saying and so that's sort of how we built it and it
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was it was kind of from like the experience out yeah how how do we want people to feel when
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they come and how do we want people to feel when they leave yeah and then we just kind of put the pieces
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together from there how would you because i i've been in the shop i love
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the space i was telling you the other day i want to try to come in there on a weekend where i can sit down not after i got
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killed by my trainer and he can barely walk but um
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how would you describe the shot to to to the listeners to people that have never been there
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um man how would i describe mu's coffee studio
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it's it's an experience it's um for me
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it is both sort of a piece of art and a blank canvas you know it is
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uh the intersection of you know the music the art the
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the books the um you know all the things that sort of inspired me
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and then the blank canvas piece of it is like you know what when you come in
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with your colors you know what i'm saying like what what is that gonna look like once you
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experience you know space you know what i'm saying what what
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how is how is that going to add on you know what i'm saying what what when you come on that weekend and you sitting
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there and you're like man okay i could see i could see this happening
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you know what i'm saying and you start to get some ideas going right you know what
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i'm saying and it's it's so many customers who come in and they're like man i got this thing that i don't even
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use at the house anymore it would be perfect for here you know what i'm saying people come through
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um customers like yo have you ever heard this song last time i was here you was playing
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this artist that reminded me of this artist you know what i'm saying are you familiar and they put me on stuff you know what
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i'm saying so awesome from that perspective it's like you know it's a
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it's an exchange it's a conversation you know what i'm saying is it's me
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and and my piece of it and then yeah and your piece of it you know yeah
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no i love i love the fact that you you've been so intentional about the feeling that people have
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and it's not a one-way feeling right like you're you're
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you're allowing your customers to influence your experience of the of the studio itself too so that's really cool
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that's really i haven't heard someone talk about their business and
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their space in a way so that's that's really cool um so so let's you know this podcast is
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really focused on um entrepreneurs what it's like to start a business
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how do you get over those fears those challenges um the things that you don't expect so
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kind of as you had this vision of what it felt what you wanted the space to feel like
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right um and it being kind of centered around this experience where people could enjoy
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coffee and do their work and exchange ideas what was your first action
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to turn this into a real business i really the
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the audacity to believe i could
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what did that look like for you that was you said what what did that look like for you
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man so you remember i said i it was something that i thought about and then talked about enough that it it really
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was abstract and so yeah that first action like the first real action was
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sort of grabbing all those abstract pieces and actually saying all right
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you can actually do this what i'm saying this is something that could actually happen
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if you stop treating it like it's abstract and actually eat it like it's something that that can
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materialize and so having having that
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sort of confidence from the beginning was helpful because along the way
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you know i bumped into so much self-doubt just in terms of like you know you you hit one milestone
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during the process and it's like okay you know we we got from a to b
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cool but then you start looking at you know p q r s down the road and you're like
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man getting from point a to b felt felt easy
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or felt or felt like all right i could do that but then you like you
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got a lot got a lot of more steps to go and so you know
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starting from that place of like this this can happen this can be a real thing
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and you you can do it right that i feel like that was the first step
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because without that i would still kind of just be talking about it as like a yeah i'm gonna have a coffee shop one
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day yeah yeah i'm gonna do that one day you know what i mean yeah yeah what um so as you as you got
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through action a b c and you're kind of riding that wave because because everything is
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momentum right so so that's snowballs rolling what was the first rock that you hit
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what was that p or q where you're just like oh you start looking around um
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so you know we we had the extra challenge of doing this
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during the pandemic and so when we initially started our build out
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process we were scheduled to get started maybe the third week of march
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2012 uh yeah okay and so
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we had been planning we had you know submitted our drawings to the city
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you know rocking and rolling yeah and then everything shut down like literally
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a week if that before we were you know before the guys were supposed to get to work
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right build out and so you know that was the first thing i was like all
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right what's what's gonna happen yeah and you know the reality in that
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moment was that like we had we had come too far to stop you know what i'm saying yeah cert
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checks had already been cut you know yeah already paying rent
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so you so you guys have already signed on the space you were paying yeah yeah and so
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it was like all right well let's let's let's just kind of stay close yeah closer than you
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know we would have and and pivot where we need to pivot adjust what we need to adjust and so
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you know we we included a pickup window which wasn't a part of the initial plan and because of that
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you know that that meant that we had to add a bar that wasn't a part of the initial plan right um right
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which took away from space that we initially thought we would have for seton but again it's a whole pandemic so
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we don't even know if people won't be able to come inside anyway so who needs to see you understand yeah exactly uh
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and so i would say like that was the first like
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whoa moment yeah right there yeah i mean it's it's it's so fascinating like you have this
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once in a lifetime once in a generation once in a century event right
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that literally shuts the world down how i'm just
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thinking about where my mind would go how did you did the thought of
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is this a sign ever pop up in your mind where it's like is this a sign that we gotta stop
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like did you ever have any any doubt that was kind of so macro or meta
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that that that made you rethink things honestly
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i again for me in that moment it it it wasn't so much
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is this a sign we should stop it really was more like
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we've come too far and and and you've invested too much
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energy yeah into into getting to this point right here
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and so you know i knew it was a race to the start line you know what i'm saying like we weren't even
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racing yet you know what i'm saying like this was us trying to get to to the start
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um and so it was like it certainly
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was an obstacle and it certainly was was scary but at the same time it's like
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for me personally because i you know i'm i'm naturally an introvert i'm not you
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know i had never worked in coffee before you know what i'm saying so
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the fact that i had gotten to the point to where i was making real progress on it
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it took a lot to get there yeah and so i i would say the fact that we had a
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space that we actually could build out on was signed enough that it was supposed to happen yeah that running
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into that first bump and and running into the fact that man the world could be shut down like
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at that point it just was like we doing this yeah let's let's let's just let's put
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our dancing shoes on you know what i'm saying and figure out figure out how we gonna do this but we definitely gonna dance because yeah
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we are we already at the party yeah so so you talked about the work to even get to the starting line like what
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how did you guys land on the location um how did you even find the space yeah
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again to to you to your last question you know all of these things were just lining up
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to where it was hard to look at
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some of the obstacles as science to not do it because again we had gotten
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to where we were yeah first place and so we live
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maybe about six blocks away from um where the shop is
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yeah and our our realtor who you know we have been working with
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for [Music] six seven eight years and i'm saying he he is the one who helped us find our
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house and we had talked to him about it and so just was like you know keep your eye
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open for any you know space um if anything close comes because
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when we were talking to him about it again it was still abstract it was still just like you know
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gassing yourself into thinking you're making progress by just saying out loud like yeah we want to open a coffee shop
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let us know if anything is available right you know what i mean and so when he would send stuff over we
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would be like all right it's worth checking out and we would look at it and be like you know that's when that self-doubt
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started to kick in and and the things that were abstract that are
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now a reality because you're standing in the middle of a space looking at it and you you're looking at actual numbers or
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like what it's going to cost to right to be in that space
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and it's so easy in that point to be like nah it's not it's not time yet it's not time right
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and so the fact that this this space just popped up on the market you know
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what i'm saying after we have been in this neighborhood for so long um and we went and checked it out and
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you know it looked like what we needed you know what i mean and we had some back and forth
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conversation and you know decided that okay we'll we'll we'll wait
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we'll wait about you know six months give it half a year let's see where we are
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yeah and then a couple months after that the agent who showed us the spot
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reached out and was like man i've always wanted to get into gallery space where you guys were here i know you were talking about
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you know you know in the coffee shop let's let's let's
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share the space you know what i'm saying i can do my art in the back you do your thing in the front we share
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the little area in the middle um for half the half the rent
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i'm like it's hard to beat that you know what i'm saying so you know again
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all these things just kind of started to line up in a way that was just like
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hard to hard to ignore or minimize in that way right
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right so at that point it's like you you either gonna do it or
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or you're not yeah and i love i love the the idea of
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sometimes those casual conversations even though they're abstract just those casual conversations with people
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those people are taking you serious so those people are going to be your
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your allies that are just saying oh yeah there's a space that popped up you know they see an article and be like oh i
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think this would be really cool to hear you know a garage sale and they find something
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that's really dope that aligns with what you said the the power
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of that being momentum i think can be underestimated sometimes
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absolutely awesome so so let's so you got the shop open um you got through the pandemic right um
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what was those first couple weeks those first couple months
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what uh what surprised you what things what what things did you not expect what what challenges arose that
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you were just like didn't know that i'd be dealing with this again it's it's weird
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because you know the the whole time you know you're building out
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because that was my first time dealing with any of that kind of stuff when you're in the thick of it you know
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what i'm saying like your head is down you're kind of just just doing it yeah
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so it's hard to see it when you're doing it yeah so by the time i actually was open i i
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hadn't even really had a chance to to look up to be like man i'm actually open you know what i'm
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saying kind of like a continuation from
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building out and getting stuff ready to actually serving coffee
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yeah so that first week those first couple weeks it was mostly me
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trying to shake off the the anxiety of like
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you know are people going to be able to tell that i've never had a job in coffee you know
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what i'm saying is this yeah is this a steam one gonna be so loud
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on this milk that somebody's gonna be like you don't know how to do that
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you've never worked in coffee sir uh so
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a lot of that first couple weeks was me you know almost like looking over my
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shoulder while i'm making drinks to see if you know and like
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do they do they know that are they judgmental you know what i'm saying and then serving people and then kind of just
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trying to watch to see how you know how they react when they when they're experiencing the drinks
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um and so yeah a lot a lot of those first couple weeks was
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me really trying to balance that that that fear
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and and have it balance more with like
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the confidence that that i i actually do know what i'm doing
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yeah yeah i think you so what's so fascinating to me and i think it's
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it's pretty dope to think about is like you said you hadn't really worked in coffee
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before but in your mind the vision for this business was the space so in many ways
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the value prop is the space right yeah and and you're you're you're kind of learning
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developing the coffee aspect of it but at the end at the same time
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and i think you see me do this like while you're waiting for your coffee you're just kind of looking around you're like oh that artwork is really
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cool yeah i think i think the other day i asked you about a record play that you have there like like it's it's
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it's i can understand the self-doubt creeping in
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but what you built this around was really what people were focusing on
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at the same you know at the end of the day and that's kind of fascinating to me well because to to me
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coffee is a commodity you can get it anywhere yeah from the gas station to you know
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what i'm saying the big chains to all of the local spots
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um and so by no means am i saying it's a side dish
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right but you know if you have a coffee shop and you don't have that piece right
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forget about it right right right i mean and so yeah obviously i wanted to make sure that
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i got that part right right yeah but in my head it's like once you get
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that part right that's that's it's done that's yeah that is
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covered you know what i'm saying now you have to really focus on the experience because
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what's going to keep people coming back um
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because i'm i'm i'm not delusional to think that you know what i'm saying i got some
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magic cup of coffee that's gonna you know what i'm saying change the world but i know i know i know our stuff is
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good don't get me wrong it is yeah very much so you know what i'm saying like yeah yeah
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nella latte yeah yeah everybody got that you know exactly
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everybody don't have our playlist though everybody don't have you know the art that we have everybody doesn't have
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um just the the vibe that we've put together and so that's the part where i was like
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all right where do we want to get our beans from our first stop was the place that was
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was one of our favorite places you know what i'm saying so we we reached out to them um it's metric we get our beans for
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metric um they were easy to talk to they were
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responsive they were you know what i'm saying very open to sharing information
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in a way that was just like i just met y'all and y'all telling me you know
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out the gate just being very transparent and so it was like i'm not going to keep looking and
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confuse myself or you know what i'm saying overthink it like this is working all right what's the
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next step you know they work with me on kind of building out what the menu should look like
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we put some drinks together people tasted them and said
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do it and so i'm like all right that track check you understand yeah
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yeah repeat repeat that process every time somebody orders this and then that part is covered you know what i'm
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saying so it the the to me it really was about
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how can we make this space a place that people want to want to come back to
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yeah it can't just be the coffee can't just be the coffee yeah so so
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i like how you say you know coffee is a commodity right um especially in chicago you can find it
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you can find a coffee shop every corner right i used to go to metric before i discovered your shop because it's on the
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other side of my house right right um so
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how did you approach attracting people to your business and kind of just
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building a customer base given the fact that people that usually make coffee runs
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already have a coffee shop that they go to yeah i mean a lot of it is the community a lot of it is the people who live in that
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area who just walked by saw that we were there walked by maybe heard the music
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came in you know what i'm saying um social media is a big part of it
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people stopping in posting about us tagging us you know other people seeing
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a lot of word of mouth um and then like i said that
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and being able to you know it's a it's just it's it's a small shop
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and so being able to have conversation openly with folks and and really
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have that immediate feedback in some instances um
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good or bad you know what i'm saying because if somebody comes in and they're like man
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that mirror is dope i'm like all right we did that right yeah
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okay yeah got it got it you know somebody's like oh man where'd you get that picture from
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that's one of the homies you know what i'm saying you should check them out and in the back of my mind all right got
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it got it yeah so if if i'm if i'm able to see all right
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people really like the art then i know all right what other art do i need to you know
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incorporate into space how can i how can i kind of continue to
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um elevate those elements and so in the almost nine months that we've been there
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you know we've added some pieces uh and every time we add something people
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notice it and so it's it's it's really that
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that opportunity to say all right what have the people
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been appreciating about this space um and noticing okay that's what's bringing
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them back you know people like people like the lavender i i didn't i didn't know that lavender
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was a big deal like that you didn't understand until people were like man this this this is jamming
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and so now i'm like all right well how else can we keep using the lavender you know what i'm saying so we
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put it with put it with the matcha put it with the chai you know what i'm saying and just kind of
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continuing to evolve and and kind of build off what people are already appreciating
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um and then that just creates that organic you know word of mouth
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like i can't tell you the number of people that's like they'll come in
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man people been talking about this lavender latte all along the facebook group let me get that
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all right cool let's do it you know what i'm saying like yeah somebody come in man my cousin been telling me about this
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space i live right down the street even though y'all was there so like i haven't i haven't even really had to
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do any marketing yet um because we we've just really been focused on that organic growth and
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making sure that you know what we have is not only enjoyable but sustainable
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because the minute we start really pushing it like that and we start really getting a
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bunch of foot traffic in there and a bunch of people in there you know we we have to be able to sustain
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what what people enjoy because that's again that's what's going to keep
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people coming back yeah and i love that i love the fact like [Music]
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in like the tech startup space people always talk about traction traction traction and and get listen to your
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customers and i think it's no different from you know brick-and-mortar shop right like a place where you walk in i love
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that you're listening to customers and whatever form of feedback that comes
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you're translating that into okay i'm gonna do more of that i'm gonna do less of that and that kind of
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brings people back because it shows that you're listening um so now that's that's awesome so so
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talk to me talk to me a little bit more about kind of sustaining right like you said
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you said you want to make sure that as you implement these things one you listen to your customers your customers
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are liking it you want it to be sustainable what does muse look like five years from now
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man that's a good question i think um
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honestly because i people people have asked um you know would i be interested in
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opening another shop somewhere else or you know opening a second location
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austin nine months in and crazy as cool as that sounds
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we put so much of ourselves into this spot it's hard for me to even wrap my mind
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around how to recreate that somewhere else because i you know i
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what makes it special is um how personal a lot of a lot of the stuff
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is and so you know in five years
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i i don't know if it's another location or [Music]
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just you know i i could certainly see doing like a coffee truck um and having
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the opportunity to be mobile in a way that you know you don't have to recreate that same space but have something that
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allows you to carry some of that that um carry some of that personality from the
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shop around the city you know what i'm saying i could see um five years from now having a
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sort of a larger piece of the the the merchandise pie um
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doing more collaborations um to where you know we were able to work with
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different artists different um musicians different different creators to kind of just build
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more on the merchandise side um maybe
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putting ourselves in a position where we can have you know certain things in-house you
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know a studio or something like that where people can actually come create yeah um
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you know maybe maybe we five years from now me and you doing our own podcast or something from yeah
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right there in the front you know what i'm saying so yeah i really wanted in five years to be able to
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continue to just add branches to you know what we've planted right now
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um continue to grow that in a way that we can like i said branch off to start
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doing more more of the creative stuff that that the space
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sort of exists to inspire if it right no no that's no that's
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that's dope i i i i love the idea of the evolution of the space right and what because it's still
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centered around the space um you talked about how personal the shop is
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but at the same time it's your business it's not you right so
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how do you manage the separation of those two things how do you integrate the hectic lifestyle of an entrepreneur
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with family life but then also keep it separate so that when you have a bad day at home doesn't mean a bad day
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of business a bad day of business doesn't translate to a bad day at home um
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honestly because i i
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it's funny you say that the hectic life of an entrepreneur
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because honestly i i honestly thought it would be easier
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to wear that badge you know of an entrepreneur but it
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like i said i i've i've been so non-stop that it it's hard to even really look at it like that and so
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it really just feels like i'm getting up to go to work not necessarily
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you know what i mean like obviously i know i don't have to go in and clock in or or
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ask anybody can i leave or anything like that you know what i'm saying but it still it still doesn't necessarily feel
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like um what it is if that means at all so
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in some ways it's easy to to have that separation because i know
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um i it's time to get up trying to get dressed trying to go to work when i'm in there you know i i'm
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experiencing it the same way you are so you know i come in i cut the cut the
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music on i'm feeling better whatever you know what i'm saying like if
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if it started out as a tough morning you know by the third song
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um uh you know i i make myself a cup of coffee you know
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what i'm saying now i am feeling a little more on point you know what i'm
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saying and so you know i'm i'm looking at the art i'm you know thumbing
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through some of the books you know some of the magazines uh and so
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from that perspective i'm experiencing the same thing in the same way that everybody else is
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um and then when i leave i go straight to pick the kids up
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so it's easy to say i when i leave here i'm gone yeah you know
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obviously there's times where i have to you know order inventory and do you know stuff
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that i wasn't able to do while i was at the shop because i'm you know serving customers and so i couldn't just lock in
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on a computer to do some of that sort of administrative stuff some of that stuff you know i get back
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to at the end of the day or you know just really make a note to get it done when i get in
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the next morning but it's easy to disconnect when you got two kids telling you they need to hear
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you know some kids pop jam uh
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one of them want apple juice the other one one you know sour worms or something like that like
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i'm not thinking about the coffee shop at that point yeah i'm trying to keep these kids from
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driving me crazy and so you know from that perspective it's easy to have that separation because
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when i'm when i'm when i'm out of there i'm all the way in you know dad mode
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husband mode um and then
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once once we get them down you know i can maybe tap back into
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shop owner mode you know right start getting some more stuff done um and so from from from that
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perspective is i've i've managed to kind of make that
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in and out transition fairly easy yeah no it's
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i love what you said in terms of you're enjoying this space just as much as i am right like
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you know you're getting work done in your shop because you enjoy it right it's it's
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that that's that's that's awesome like i'm gonna be real with you one of my biggest fears right now is that
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somebody i'm gonna end up on somebody's instagram story dancing while i'm you know putting a
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drink together because sometimes you really do get locked in and i'm you know getting the drink ready
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and i'm i'm um you know uh outstanding something to come on this
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thing man oh you know what i'm saying
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i'm all the way in i bet you the customer would love it too it's nothing better than some coffee
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made with love i'll be having to catch myself sometimes like bro you got to relax like
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yeah keep it together kind of in this experience i was becoming an entrepreneur doing you know
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doing coffee for the first time what's something that you would say you wish you knew
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before you started what i wish i would have known specifically is
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um how much or how quickly i would get to the point where i felt
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like i definitely need you know the extra pair of hands around it around the spot um because again
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at the beginning i'm so heads down just trying to just trying to keep the ship moving
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yeah um that i it it's hard to see
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all of the waves you know ahead of you because yeah you know i'm just
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sure staring the ship um yeah so once we really got to rocking and
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rolling you know again it that felt like it just melted into
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[Music] um waiting for the permit getting the permit and the license and
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then literally three days later i'm serving coffee
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yeah and then you know that was really supposed to be kind of a soft opening
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and then you know again the word of mouth and the people posting about it and you know somebody's
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like oh he he opened all right we we up there and that that kind of just melted into just
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like we we open when people like it they love it everybody everybody's welcome come
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through and then next thing you know it's october so it's like
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um if if i would have known at the beginning like all right
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you're gonna be here every day you might want to start making sure you have yourself in a position that you can
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have help you know um that would have been clutch to know that
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but yeah everything just kind of was moving so fast and it still is you know what i'm
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saying that by the time by the time you look up because you feel like you're drowning
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um it's like oh wow it's you know we open january 18th officially
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you know snow outside it's cold whatever next thing you know it's
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april yeah like okay wow it's about to be our first summer
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you know what i'm saying next thing you know it's august summer
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all right well let's let's see if we can figure out some some seasonal drinks what are we gonna do for this the next
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day you know it's you know already middle of october and so things move so quick
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that by the time i look up you know that's just another thing to to just navigate to say all right now you
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know you need help how you how how are you gonna find it because again
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everything has been so um
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so so personal just for like a better word i know i keep repeating that but you know when people come in and they
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ask about certain pieces you know i know the answer because yeah i know where we got it from i know why we put it there i
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know what it means and so that that's not an easy thing to just pass off to somebody else
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yeah that makes a lot of sense and so that that that part gets a little tricky
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you know yeah yeah no that's no that's a that's a interesting point especially given how
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personal it is i can imagine bringing a new person on
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that's hard because you can't replicate that passion yeah um
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and and and in some ways you know in some ways that's like
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i think about like mcdonald's right like if you watch the founder movie they talk
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about how the original brothers didn't want to franchise because they thought the quality was going to go down yeah
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and it's the same thing it's like that experience of being able to have a conversation and explain the story behind a piece of art
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you lose that um that's an interesting interesting problem like i didn't even i
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hadn't even thought about that no that's very interesting um all right so so what is this
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i'll hit you with a couple rapid fire-ish questions um but feel
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free to expound or take your time with it um because they're probably hopefully they'll make you
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think and and rack your brain a little bit um
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what's as a as a
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entrepreneur that's kind of been through not only starting the business
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going through the process but then also going through a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic
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what advice would you give someone else who's thinking about or is aspiring to
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be an entrepreneur what helpful advice would you give them i have the right people around you
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um people that are not only going to hold you accountable but also
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um offer you [Music] the type of support you need when you need it
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because sometimes it's not the resources sometimes you just gotta vent you know what i'm saying and you need them people
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around you this will let you just talk your yeah and then tell you all right
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you're done get back to it you know what i'm saying
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um having having the right people around you that will not only allow you to you know
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get out what you need to get out but are also willing to pour back into you
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um that that that's clutch
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yeah because it is one thing to to believe in your vision
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it's something completely different to have other people that believe in you what i'm saying yeah
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i can't i can't tell you the number of times that you know people people like
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yo what are you doing where are we at what's what's going on what you need
45:54
yeah nothing all right so what's up what you doing exactly yeah yeah it humbles you but it
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but it also it also pushes you to keep going so i would say
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keep keep the right people around you yeah okay i like that
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um what coffee are you making yourself or are you ordering if you're a customer
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man if so it's interesting because
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every day it could be something different if if somebody comes in and orders
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you know the lavender matcha by the third time i'm making it i'm like
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i need one of these you understand i need one um it's that's that's one of those
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drinks that after a minute i can't keep making them and not have one myself yeah if it's
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just if it's just me and i'm coming i'm probably getting the the buena gente
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which is the brown sugar latte okay um because it's it's simple
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it's not super sweet um it has the the the right amount of
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you know what i mean razzle dazzle i think i might have to order that the
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next time i'm in the shop i gotcha um what's your favorite to make my favorite
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to make for a customer honestly my my favorite is probably the matcha just because
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people are always surprised to see me doing it the the traditional way you know what i'm
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saying my little whisk in my little bowl you know what i'm saying and so uh
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you know i i it's it's weird
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and interesting and i have my own little thing in my head where it's like man i'm i'm in here dressed like a rapper
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listen up matcha you know what i'm saying i i i enjoy i enjoy putting those
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together what um favorite album
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i'll be easy i won't say song favorite album to make coffee too
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ah man if i had to say album probably
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the roots do you want more
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because it has it has it has the a nice little balance to it you know what i'm saying yeah
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either that or um hiatus coyotes last album
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what type of entrepreneur would you be most interested in listening to on the podcast i probably would be most
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interested in hearing um i so again
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i hate to be long-winded about it but the whole thing the whole thing behind muse
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um in itself is just my particular appreciation for the process
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and so i am borderline infatuated with what with inspiration in general you know
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what i'm saying i'm i'm the guy that loves the song
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but i want to see the studio session i want to see what went into
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getting them lyrics i want to see what went into you know producing
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the track who said that why they do that you know what i'm saying and so i think for me
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i would really be interested in hearing um
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hearing an entrepreneur talk about just their process you know what i'm saying whether it's somebody in fashion
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somebody um in in music you know i i love hearing those types of stories
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yeah all right i like that um we've got uh
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i've got i've got i've got an episode coming that i think you might be interested someone that owns a
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uh a fashion store um so yeah i'll definitely when i'm
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supposed to record it next week so i'll once it's out there i'll i'll direct it and i'll send it to you
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um all right last question uh and i'm still listening i see you got the trap golf going on
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i would love to hear his story yeah i absolutely love to hear his story
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um i gotta find my way to him i gotta find my way to wayne
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yeah i would love to hear that how that came about um that like that's the type of stuff that that
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keeps me locked in you know what i'm saying how how how does one land on trap golf you know what i'm saying
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yeah that's fine um all right my last question and i'm gonna steal this one from all the smoke
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um the the uh podcast with uh stephen jackson and matt barnes um
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who should i have on on the podcast and of course you gotta help me get that person on the podcast
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um so since i've since i've been open you know i've
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been able to meet a lot of dope people um in the coffee space
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just in the in the in the creative world um
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specifically uh this this group uh the grocery run club
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okay they do great stuff um in the in the community with um
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and i think they got their start doing the pandemic tool um really just making grocery runs for people who
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who need it oh that's awesome um yeah continued to grow you know what i'm
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saying they helped manage a couple community gardens um so i i think they would be dope
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um to to have a conversation with and then one of the homies who's just been a a
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huge resource um for me since i've been in this space uh melissa
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who does everybody's busy [Music] crazy with the um
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just with the not not only in the coffee space but
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like her product line yeah bananas what i'm saying so i think
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she would be dope to have a have a conversation with just to tap into you know what goes into
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creating creating a real brand identity you know what i mean i love that no i i would love to have
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them on the show and i'm uh i'm a big oh i'm gonna bug you to get them on
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or broke an introduction at least yes no man uh no this is incredible man i
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really appreciate the time this was uh just a lot of gems a lot of nuggets man
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i i can i can see all the the content and the quotes coming coming together man i
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appreciate it and i appreciate you for uh for having me yeah for sure
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